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01 Marzo 2022 Postato da: saimo PED81C - schermi chunky senza C2P per AGA

Questo è stato un rilascio affrettato e non pianificato. Sono stato convinto a farlo dalla guerra in corso. Download: https://www.retream.com/PED81C I video sottostanti mostrano qualche esempio. Nota: l'elaborazione video di YouTube ha ridotto leggermente la saturazione/luminosità dei colori. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eikEo45v1I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLtLhJXInOY Tutti i dettagli sono nel manuale incluso nel pacchetto. Modificato il 02/03/2022 alle ore 13:51:37

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Pagine: -1- [2] - Post inviati: 695 Commento 21 saimo 2 Dicembre 2023    02:11:41 overtune2005 Speriamo di vedere l'implementazione in qualche gioco In genere tendo sempre a quello, ma per adesso sto solo sperimentando. Ovviamente, piacerebbe anche a me (pur se un po' mi dispiacerebbe fare qualcosa che non gira su Amiga inespanso). Chissà... Intanto, le informazioni ricevute da altri hanno rivelato che PVE gira più velocemente su 68030 che su 68060. Sto provando a capire dov'è l'inghippo, ma, sfortunatamente, ho solo un 68030. Se qualcuno ha un Amiga con 68040 o 68060, potrebbe farmi la cortesia di provare la versione sperimentale scaricabile da qui e passarmi i risultati stampati all'uscita? Anche rapporti relativi a 68020 sono i benvenuti! Per ottenere risultati comparabili, il test va eseguito così: 1. lanciare il programma; 2. cliccare il tasto sinistro del mouse nella schermata iniziale; 3. aspettare 5 secondi (senza toccare il joystick nel frattempo); 4. cliccare il tasto sinistro del mouse. Grazie in anticipo! RETREAM - sogni retro per Amiga, Commodore 64 e PC amiwell79 Post inviati: 12277 Commento 22 amiwell79 2 Dicembre 2023    18:53:37 ottimo lavoro saimo ho visto la deo su youtube tutto molto interessante,continua così Post inviati: 695 Commento 23 saimo 22 Dicembre 2023    11:13:06 @amiwell79 Grazie! @tutti Ho appena rilasciato una nuova versione di PVE. Le novità nel dettaglio sono elencate sotto. In breve: è più veloce e ha anche qualche aggiunta. https://retream.itch.io/ped81c v1.1 (22.12.2023) * Reworked screen buffering, so that the raster data is more efficiently written to CHIP RAM when bitplanes DMA is inactive. * Improved 68030 caches handling. * Added 68040 and 68060 caches handling. * Added MMU handling to avoid that the MMU affects the speed negatively. * Optimized rendering core by making it write the dots sequentially. * Made a little 68060-specific code optimization. * Ensured 68060 susperscalar dispatch is enabled. * Added live-toggable staggered lines video filter, which helps see better colors on devices that do not support SHRES and reduces the jailbars effect on devices that support SHRES (to enable/disable: [F1] ). * Made fps indicator live-togglable (to enable/disable: [F2] ). * Made quitting from the voxel screen return to the splash screen. * Replaced mouse controls with keyboard controls. * Added benchmark function. * Added command line switches to control the CPU caches. * Fixed bug that caused a longword to be written to a random location when the fps indicator was on. * Fixed an innocuous initialization bug. * Made cleanup code more robust. * Updated, extended and fixed documentation. RETREAM - sogni retro per Amiga, Commodore 64 e PC Post inviati: 695 Commento 24 saimo 27 Marzo 2024    23:47:15 Era da lungo tempo che volevo riesumare del codice vecchio di 20 e più anni per divertirmici con PED81C. Finalmente mi sono deciso e ne ho tirato fuori un programma di test chiamato Zoomaniac. I dettagli sono nel video e nell'estratto del manuale sottostanti. Download disponibile qui . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eehqapb20fE Citazione -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ OVERVIEW Zoomaniac has been written to evaluate the performance on a stock Amiga 1200 of a general-purpose texture scaling routine that writes directly to a PED81C raster. ---------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- PERFORMANCE The following results are relative to the full screen effect that zooms the cosmonaut in and out. On a stock Amiga 1200, the execution speed is between 25 and 26 fps. If the staggered lines are turned on, the performance drops by about 1 fps (which was unexpected, since all that such option adds is a Copper WAIT and a Copper MOVE for each rasterline). Given that the DMA load caused by PED81C is "double" (see its documentation for the details), a version that uses only half the number (2) of bitplanes has been made to check the performance as if the Amiga had a native chunky video mode. Surprisingly, the performance did not improve at all: relatively to the CHIP bus access, the scaling code must interleave so nicely with the bitplane data fetches that having more bus cycles available does not make any/much difference. An Amiga 1200 equipped with a 68030 clocked at 50 MHz and 60 ns FAST RAM easily performs at steady 50 fps. To find out the maximum performance, new tests were made with special versions of the program that had the video synchronization code disabled. The speed when running the program normally was between 77 and 78 fps. The staggered lines option lowered the fps by about 2. The 2 bitplanes versions performed better, reaching 80-81 fps or, with the staggered lines on, 79-80 fps. Like on the stock Amiga 1200, the extended Copperlist that implements the staggered lines causes a small and similar performance drop. Instead, the halving of the bitplanes DMA load did produce a speed increase. The following table sums up the results. S = stock Amiga 1200 E = Amiga 1200 68030 @50 MHz / 60 ns FAST RAM (Blizzard 1230 IV) 2 = 2 bitplanes on 4 = 4 bitplanes on L = staggered lines on | 4 | L4 | 2 | L2 --+-------+--------+-------+------- S | 25-65 | 24-25 | 25-26 | 24-25 E | 77-78 | 75-76 | 80-81 | 79-80 Notes: * when FAST RAM is detected, an alternative and more suitable scaling routine is used (although writes still happen to CHIP RAM); * on (some?) machines equipped with FAST RAM an even faster strategy would be rendering to FAST RAM and then simply copying at the maximum speed the rendered frame to the CHIP RAM raster. ---------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- TECHNICAL NOTES * The scaling routine fits any rectangle from a texture into a rectangle of any size and ratio of another texture with nearest-neighbor matching. * Logic and rendering are totally asynchronous: the logic runs always at 50 Hz and the rendering never stops (unless it reaches the limit of 50 fps, imposed by the display refresh rate), thus exploiting the machine's full potential. * The screen buffering employs three buffers in CHIP RAM. * The screen resolution is 1020x256 SHRES pixels, which correspond to 255x256 LORES-sized physical dots and to 128x256 logical dots. * The code is 100% assembly. * The program takes over the system entirely and returns to AmigaOS cleanly. CHANGELOG March 27, 2024 * Added the Zoomaniac demo. * [PED81C Voxel Engine] Made a couple of minor changes. * [PED81C Voxel Engine] Updated documentation. January 1, 2024 * Rebuilt demos against latest custom framework. * [PED81C Voxel Engine] Optimized slightly background rendering. * [PED81C Voxel Engine] Corrected benchmark fps calculation (312 rasterlines were considered instead of 313). * [PED81C Voxel Engine] Built against latest custom framework. * [PED81C Voxel Engine] Updated, extended and fixed documentation. Commento modificato il 27/03/2024 alle ore 23:48:13 RETREAM - sogni retro per Amiga, Commodore 64 e PC Post inviati: 695 Commento 25 saimo 29 Marzo 2024    14:56:02 In seguito al feedback che ho ricevuto, ho rilasciato una nuova versione di Zoomaniac che permette di abilitare/disabilitare il limite degli fps per mezzo di [F3] . Citazione * The number shown in the top-left corner of the effects screen is the fps indicator, which reports the number of frames rendered in the last second. It is limited to 999. * When the fps limit is on, the maximum number of frames rendered per second is 50 also on the most powerful machines, as the display refresh rate is 50 Hz. When the fps limit is off, frames are rendered without pausing when the previously rendered frame/frames has/have not (completely) displayed yet. On machines which cannot run the program at 50 fps or more, turning off the limit has no effect whasoever; on the other machines, the only visible effect is that the fps indicator goes beyond 50, thus giving a measure of the maximum speed that the machine can reach. Inoltre, questa nuova versione gira più veloce di 1-2 fps su 68030 grazie al data cache burst: Citazione * on 68030 tests proved that: it is advantageous to turn the data cache burst on when scaling a 128 dots wide rectangle to a rectangle wider than 8 dots (i.e. with an X scaling factor greater than 1/16); with a scaling factor of 1/16 or less the difference proved to be minimal when both the source and destination rectangles were 256 dots tall; considering that turning the data cache burst off would therefore be advantageous only with very narrow and tall rectangles (which are uncommon and intrinsically rather inexpensive), it is not worth it to implement a data cache burst management inside the scaling routine; CHANGELOG v1.1 (28.3.2024) * Turned the 68030 data cache burst on for slightly faster performance. * Made a couple of minor optimizations. * Added frames rendering limit toggle ( [F3] ). * Worked on fps indicator: added hundreds digit; made digits smaller; made digits auto-clearing, so that they read correctly also when they are not cleared before drawing. * Made staggered lines toggle as soon as [F1] is pressed (instead of when it is released). * Updated splash screen. * Redesigned the 'M' in the logo. * Updated and extended manual. RETREAM - sogni retro per Amiga, Commodore 64 e PC amiwell79 Post inviati: 12277 Commento 26 amiwell79 29 Marzo 2024    21:17:35 Bravo Saimo Post inviati: 60 Commento 27 overtune2005 29 Marzo 2024    21:23:26 Molto bello. Aspetto qualche implementazione pratica, gioco. Ma si può usare come driver video ottimizzato per gli emulatori tipo MAC shapeshifter? Grazie. Post inviati: 695 Commento 28 saimo 29 Marzo 2024    22:55:29 @amiwell79 Grazie! @overtune2005 overtune2005 Molto bello. Aspetto qualche implementazione pratica, gioco. Anch'io! Citazione Ma si può usare come driver video ottimizzato per gli emulatori tipo MAC shapeshifter? Grazie. In teoria si può usare per tutto, ma in pratica bisogna tenere conto delle limitazioni grafiche. Per il caso che menzioni non sarebbe adatto in quanto la risoluzione orizzontale è dimezzata (anche se la cosa viene mascherata parzialmente dall'interpolazione automatica tra colonne). RETREAM - sogni retro per Amiga, Commodore 64 e PC Post inviati: 695 Commento 29 saimo 2 Aprile 2024    22:22:19 Per avere un set completo di routine di ridimensionamento (che sperabilmente userò per qualcosa, un giorno), ho aggiunto il supporto per color-keying, zero-keying (color-keying con colore 0), e ribaltamento orizzontale e verticale. Inoltre, visto che inizialmente mi ero focalizzato sull'A1200 di base, la performance su macchine espanse non era ottimale (poiché il rendering veniva fatto direttamente in CHIP RAM), perciò ho aggiunto anche un metodo di buffering alternativo che, quando 2 raster possono essere allocati in FAST RAM, permette di renderizzare in FAST RAM e poi copia il raster renderizzato nel raster in CHIP RAM il più velocemente possibile, a partire dal fondo dello schermo. Ciò, relativamente al primo effetto nel programma di test (che l'unico di cui è stata misurata la performance finora), ha prodotto un guadagno di 8-9 fps sul mio A1200 con 68030. Il programma di test aggiornato (disponibile all'indirizzo https://retream.itch.io/ped81c ), per dimostrare le nuove caratteristiche, stira e rimpicciolisce una texture con color/zero-keying coprendo quasi tutto lo schermo, sopra uno zoom a tutto schermo di fondo, con tutte le combinazioni di ribaltamento possibili. Tutto ciò è chiaramete una faticaccia per un A1200 di base, la cui performance scende a 12-16 fps nei casi più pesanti. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebxwKm9K4Os (Mota a margine: il video è stato registrato prima che finalizzassi il programma di test, perciò mostra una schermata iniziale datata e degli scatti di zoom relativi allo sfondo quando si passa dagli/agli effetti di color/zero-keying.) Questo estratto del manuale aggiornato fornisce ulteriori dettagli. Citazione -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ OVERVIEW Zoomaniac has been written to evaluate the performance on stock and modestly- accelerated Amiga 1200s of some general-purpose texture scaling routines in conjunction with PED81C. ---------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- GETTING STARTED Zoomaniac requires: * Amiga computer * AGA chipset * 170 kB of CHIP RAM * 1.2 MB of any RAM * PAL SHRES support * keyboard * 1 MB of storage space To install Zoomaniac, unpack the LhA archive to any directory of your choice. To start Zoomaniac, open the program directory and double-click the program icon from Workbench or execute the program from shell. If your monitor / graphics card / scan doubler do(es) not support SHRES, the colors will look off or even not show at all. In such case, to hopefully fix the colors a bit, try the staggered lines option. ---------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- CONTROLS KEY | SPLASH SCREEN | EFFECTS SCREEN ----------+-----------------------------+----- ----------------------- [SPACE] | go to effects screen | [F1] | turn staggered lines on/off | turn staggered lines on/off [F2] | turn fps indicator on/off | turn fps indicator on/off [F3] | turn fps limit on/off | turn fps limit on/off [ESCAPE] | quit to AmigaOS | go to splash screen ---------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- MISCELLANEOUS * The staggered lines shift the odd lines by 1 SHRES pixel to the right. On systems which handle SHRES correctly, that will reduce the jailbars effect (but give the screen a kind of wavy look). On system which handle SHRES as HIRES (for example, MNT's VA2000 graphics card and Irix Labs' ScanPlus AGA - contrary to how is was originally marketed - display only the even or odd columns of pixels, so only reds and blues or greens and grays show), that helps improving the colors a bit (giving the screen a kind of scanline effect). On other systems, the results are unpredictable, but the option is still worth a try. * The number shown in the top-left corner of the effects screen is the fps indicator, which reports the number of frames rendered in the last second. It is limited to 999. * When the fps limit is on, the maximum number of frames rendered per second is 50 also on the most powerful machines, as the display refresh rate is 50 Hz. When the fps limit is off, frames are rendered without pausing when the previously rendered frame/frames has/have not (completely) displayed yet. On machines which cannot run the program at 50 fps or more, turning off the limit has no effect whasoever; on the other machines, the only visible effect is that the fps indicator goes beyond 50, thus giving a measure of the maximum speed that the machines can reach. ---------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- PERFORMANCE The following results are relative to the full screen effect that zooms the cosmonaut in and out without flipping. The source textures are 256x512 dots and the screen internally consists of 128x256 dots. Since a dot is represented by a byte, 128x256 = 32768 bytes are fetched and written to render a frame. On a stock Amiga 1200, the execution speed is between 25 and 26 fps. If the staggered lines are turned on, the performance drops by about 1 fps (albeit all that such option adds is a Copper WAIT and a Copper MOVE for each rasterline). Given that the DMA load caused by PED81C is "double" (see its documentation for the details), a version that uses only half the number (2) of bitplanes has been made to check the performance as if the Amiga had a native chunky video mode. Surprisingly, the performance did not improve at all: relatively to the CHIP bus access, the scaling code must interleave so nicely with the bitplane data fetches that having more bus cycles available does not make any/much difference. An Amiga 1200 equipped with a 68030 clocked at 50 MHz and 60 ns FAST RAM easily performs at steady 50 fps. To find out the maximum performance, tests were made with the fps limit off. The speed when running the program normally was between 84 and 86 fps. The staggered lines option lowered the fps by about 1. The 2 bitplanes versions ran at the same speed - in this case, that is because most of the CHIP RAM accesses happen when no bitplanes DMA is going on (see TECHNICAL DETAILS section). The following table sums up the results. staggered lines | off | on -------------------+-------+-------- stock Amiga 1200 | 25-26 | 24-25 exanded Amiga 1200 | 84-86 | 84-85 expanded Amiga 1200: Blizzard 1230 IV, 68030 @50 MHz, 60 ns FAST RAM Notes: * given that a stock Amiga 1200 reaches about 25.5 fps, it manages to render 128*256*25.5 = 835584 dots per second; considering that the 68020 is clocked at 14.187580 MHz, rendering 1 dot requires about 14187580/835584 = 17 CPU cycles; * on 68030 tests proved that: it is advantageous to turn the data cache burst on when scaling a 128 dots wide rectangle to a rectangle wider than 8 dots (i.e. with an X scaling factor greater than 1/16); with a scaling factor of 1/16 or less the difference proved to be minimal when both the source and destination rectangles were 256 dots tall; considering that turning the data cache burst off would therefore be advantageous only with very narrow and tall rectangles (which are uncommon and intrinsically rather inexpensive), it is not worth it to manage the data cache burst inside the scaling routines. ---------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- SCALING ROUTINES The scaling routines fit any rectangle from a texture into a rectangle of any size and ratio of another texture with nearest-neighbor matching. Optionally, they can flip the rectangles horizontally and/or vertically, and treat as transparent the dots of a specific color (color-keying) or of color 0 (zero- keying). Color/zero-keying allows to render graphics of arbitrary shapes without masks (which saves RAM and CPU cycles). Thanks to the fact that PED81C graphics always use at most 81 colors, there are 256-81 = 175 colors that can be used for color- keying without causing any visual loss. For performance reasons, there are the 3 separate routines. routine | color-keying | zero-keying | speed rating -----------------------+--------------+------- ------+-------------- v_ScaleRectangle() | | | *** v_ScaleRectangle_CK() | * | | * v_ScaleRectangle_ZK() | | * | ** ---------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- OTHER TECHNICAL NOTES * Logic and rendering are totally asynchronous: the logic runs always at 50 Hz and the rendering never stops (unless it reaches 50 fps and the fps limit is on), thus exploiting the machine's full potential. * The screen is triple-buffered. * When 2 rasters can be allocated in FAST RAM: 1. the graphics are rendered always to the available raster in FAST RAM; 2. after the rendering has completed and as soon as the bottom rasterline has has been displayed, the rendered raster is copied as quickly as possible to the raster in CHIP RAM (which is the one that gets displayed). The copy successfully races the beam (on the expanded Amiga 1200 mentioned in the PERFORMANCE section, it requires about 57 rasterlines during the vertical blanking and 35 rasterlines during the fetching of the top rasterlines), so no tearing occurs. Such method yields a faster performance than rendering directly to a raster in CHIP RAM (especially when there is overdraw and/or data gets also read from the raster). * The screen resolution is 1020x256 SHRES pixels, which correspond to 255x256 LORES-sized physical dots and to 128x256 logical dots. * The code is 100% assembly. * The program takes over the system entirely and returns to AmigaOS cleanly. Commento modificato il 02/04/2024 alle ore 22:24:34 RETREAM - sogni retro per Amiga, Commodore 64 e PC SysAdmin Unix/Linux - fiero o folle possessore di un AmigaOne Post inviati: 3207 Commento 30 VagaPPC 4 Aprile 2024    16:27:15 Veramente incredibile. Ma queste cose sono usufruibili con la tua libreria AMOS? WorkStation: Amiga x5000 AOS4.1 - MorphOS MiniMac - Vampire V4 - PC AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 64Gb RAM 5Ghz Old System Amiga 500,1200, A4000/60 PowerPPC, CybervisionPPC, SUN Ultra5, PowerMAC G4 450Mhz 1Gb Post inviati: 695 Commento 31 saimo 4 Aprile 2024    18:38:53 VagaPPC Veramente incredibile. Grazie! VagaPPC Ma queste cose sono usufruibili con la tua libreria AMOS? In teoria con ALS si potrebbe aprire uno schermo PED81C con sovrapposizione di uno o più altri layer (anche PED81C) e poi si potrebbero chiamare le routine di ridimensionamento in linguaggio macchina per gli effetti. In pratica, però, la performance crollerebbe: PED81C richiede che i bitplane siano visualizzati in SHRES, il che vuol dire che c'è un massiccio trasferimento di dati su bus CHIP (per capirci: uno schermo PED81C richiede il doppio della memoria e del trasferimento dati su bus CHIP di uno schermo di dimensioni equivalenti in LORES a 256 colori), per cui andare addirittura a sovrapporre altri layer altrettanto pesanti saturerebbe il bus e quindi rallenterebbe l'accesso allo stesso di CPU, Blitter e Copper. Tutto ciò varrebbe anche se si programmasse tutto in assembly (con cui, ovviamente, si possono creare layer così come fa ALS). Commento modificato il 04/04/2024 alle ore 18:39:20 RETREAM - sogni retro per Amiga, Commodore 64 e PC Pagine: -1- [2] -

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